So is Disney Just Never Gonna Have a Real Villain Again?

Is it possible to learn this power?

@@CountFab not from a Disney employee

Honestly some of the most iconic moments in animation history came from other studios and former Disney employees wanting to stick it to the mouse

Sad how gross-out humor became the norm for animation when it was special only because it broke the previous status quo of fantasy and Disney musicals

Exactly

I'm pretty sure they made him to be a parody of the "sympathetic villain" trend. The conscience bug literally wants to find some freudian excuse for why he's evil, and Jack's just like "nope I'm just evil lol".

@Follow me, please are you?

​@@talkinghoorse6936 "You're an irredeemable monster"
Took you long enough

You are not gonna shoot a puppy aren't you?
Yeah in the face, why?

Yeah

everyone loves cool villain

​@@mitacestalia7532 El Lobo also sounds like lobotomy in English, making it still sound terrifying.

Correct, but replace “The wolf” with Jimny Cricket.

​@@stevencooper4422 🤔

Reminds me of Senator Armstrong & Monsoon

Especially if it's children who are the audience. Abstract notions don't really develop until after 11 years old.

​@@stevencooper4422 To be fair, small children arent the target audience for every single movie. Some of their movies are all ages, some are geared towards tweens and early teens, etc. Moreover, at least where I was, a lot of kids were prohibited from watching the early Disney movies because the villains were considered too scary. I do think Disney needs to crank out some actual villains again, but the fact that kids will be watching it isnt really an accurate reasoning for that.

The problem is they don’t understand when to put twist villians, when no villian is needed, when a story needs a villain, and how to tell a story

@@stevencooper4422 It's for everyone, not just kids.

@@redpanda6497 Thats the problem.

*Schaffrillas brother is crying in hell because my content is better* 🤣

"I am Anxiety.
And I don't mean metaphorically, or poetically, or thematically, or rhetorically, or in any other fancy way.
I am Anxiety, straight up."

@@NTMonsty Lol 😆

The tried and true FOIL character. It's made great tales for thousands of years, it can still make great tales now.

It doesn't even have to be literally either like in PiB, if the hero has fear of being so strong it can harm his loved ones, make the villain be a building-sized monster that just wants to smash things.

A sequel to a fucking spin off as well

@@Deathmare235 Right?! That's gotta be a first or at least extremely rare

specially because dreamworks is prioritizing good storytelling and character development unlike disney who's prioritizing woke gay agendas and minority representation instead, and thus flopping hard at the box office because of it like what happened with lightyear and strange world recently

I always loved him

@@Finozzi96 disney doesn't prioritize that shit, they only do it for the money while they fund anti-LGBTQ politicians in the background. there's no "gay agenda" to incorporate gay and minority representation into everything, and if it does exist then it exists only in niche parts of the world. all this pandering and representation you see is mostly a reputation stunt, and sure if they do representation well and not for greed then that's a good thing, but it's clear when they only do it for the money.

kidnapping a baby and manipulating her into thinking you’re a good person is pretty diabolical

She's basically Frollo but without the lust

@@Frelex2007she Frollo, but not racist, ableist, etc
Edit: actually she may be those things, but they don’t focus on that

She’s a good villain

yeah, i think forget about her (or tangled in general). she was straight up evil, no redemption arc or anything lol, just using her excuses to keep her trapped and using her.

🎯

A retreating villain maybe good but I think going back to the root of just making them irredeemable to the point that you have to kill them, might be kinda refreshing

Death was really just to represent the protagonist's coming to terms with his mortality. Not a threat the way Horner is.

@@galten7361 true

​@@history-joviandude you can't kill death

DAS WHAT IM SAYINNN

He technically didnt beat Death, Death leave him be because he was teaching Puss a lesson about how valuable life. Puss has been careless with using his 8 lives because he thinks he just gonna come back again the next day.

​@@socriabbas454yeah he said that "unable to beat death"

​@@socriabbas454 Death didnt actually want to teach puss a lesson, he just wanted to be finally rid of him.
but he just couldn't justify taking someones life early when that person now values and respects their life. Notice how the chase only started again when puss once again tried to disrespect the gift of life

@@bastik.3011
When puss and perrito enter Big Jack Horners factory puss falls out of a window. Its never mentioned but a huge shard of glass nearly kills puss. Its only after that moment death shows up.

If I remembered correctly, the part where her car ran off the bridge into the ditch was the last straw because she had enough of the dalmatians evading her. Once she threw the car into full drive forward, Cruella showed she isnt playing around anymore and with her car bursting out from the ditch with tons of pieces tearing off, she no longer cared for anything else aside from killing those puppies for her fur coat.
Take note of the full stripped glory of her once shes burst out from the ditch: her eyes have the scary psycho red lines in them, the engine is fully exposed and theres no longer a roof over her head. In a way, you could view it as the full rage of Cruella exposed.
No longer caring for looks right now because she only wants her dalmatian coat and if she needs to run a truck off the road containing them, she'll do it

@@Thomasmemoryscentral I've just noticed that its similarity was preceded by a darker version of it like The Great Mouse Detective with the London clock tower scene. As Ratigan realized that his second plan to kidnap Olivia is going to fail completely (his other plan to perform a coup at Buckingham Palace was foiled by Basil), he frees himself from the clock gears, tearing his suit and revealing that he's pursuing the main character while not in a professor-like clasiness but as a madman hell bent on killing Basil by the very least.
Which to say in conclusion, Disney reinvented the rivalry of Holmes vs Moriarty on that one.

@@TheGamingMotionTGM So, Ratigan hulks out and tries to smash Basil?

@@jeffreygao3956 He is a rat, which in real life would be bigger than a mouse Basil was. The true self was hidden inside those pair of white gloves too, pure elegance covering the claws that were ready to strike.

Cruella does not need superpowers to be scary.

But even then that's not an original new story

holy hell how has it been 12 years since tangled released

I mean they stole her flower and doomed her to death so she is justified despite being the villain of the story.

I mean they stole her flower and doomed her to death so she is justified despite being the villain of the story.

2010*

A Disney villain designed by committee to be on a Hot Topic t-shirt doesn’t necessarily sound great either

I've been in Hot Topic dozens of times and never seen any classic Disney villain merch, I mostly just see anime stuff now. I did see Twilight and Justin Beeber merch once though.

To the point that there's a literal board game called Villainous based on Classic Disney characters!

@@realJoeMavro The villains are used in stuff like the Dreamlight Valley game, or children's books and such. Still milked but in other areas.

@@Zoodude254
Is it any good, tho?
(And also, there’s the imageboard-borne Disney Villains Victorious)

I also really liked how Coco approached this and how fucked it up was for Ernesto to practically be the cause of an entire family’s suffering for so many years. 😧

​@@Lauren_210 what makes it worse is that he technically won. He got his fame and fortune in life and in death. Even after the truth was revealed, his impact on the world guarantees that no one will forget him for a long time.

@@FrahdChikun Also, I don’t know if it was intentional or not (like if they were inspired or not), but Ernesto killing Hector really reminded me a lot of the Selena tragedy since both Hector and Selena were Hispanic musicians/singers and were murdered by someone close to them and died way too soon (in Selena’s case, being shot by Yolanda Saldívar). 😔

​@@FrahdChikun true, but on the bright side, no one will also ever let him forget the kind of person he is and the fact that the whole world--both dead and alive, will now remember him as a fraud and a murderer. And to add icing on the cake, he will still be there to witness the aftermath of his downfall for years to come. As Hector's family continues to thrive, Ernesto will remain in the shadows fading gradually with no one and nothing by his side.
Arguably a fate worse than death imo.

GOD YES

was thinking the same lol, and ironically he could have been a good sympathetic villiain, even if made not to be redeemed. I can totally see magnifico as getting progressively paranoid and careful about wishes, show us some past wishes being granted and then misfiring terribly, or some ouright damaging wishes that a person would never say out loud, but he gets to see in the orbs. or just, different wishes being mutually contradictory, so you cannot grant both, and which makes him question people's intentions when given all they seemingly wanted.
There was overflowing rational for him to not grant all the wishes in the world lol. or be wary of some individuals actually pursuing certain wishes even if on their own and not aided by magnifico (not every wish is an overal good for the world, i don't know why disney chose to boil it down to the most bare bones depiction of this....when even aladdin so many years ago handled the idea of wishes in a better way...), more than reasonable. And it would become a little overwhelming to filter it all once you established yourself as this king who embraces everyone's wishes at 18, it would very easily feed on his inner concerns.

Jack Horner is honest

Add to that that his goal in life is to literally steal all of the magic in the world, so that others can have no access to it (has anyone seen Lucasfilm recently? Last I saw them with was talking to Dis- uh oh...)
And they would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky Dreamworks movies!

Horner is a deliberate contrast with Lord Farquaad, who was ALSO and explicit personification of Renaissance Disney and the problems the Dreamworks crew had with them. It's acknowledgement that Disney has changed from a totalitarian ruler to an abusive glutton.

I 100% believe the Ethical bug talking about Ethical business practices was a jab at Disney

More like lots of companies.

I mean that’s what they did with the twist villains. “There are some bad people in the world and sometimes they look just like good people”.

At the end of the day , they never said villains dont exist they just said nuance should be applied to the villains in your life. And people like you threw tantrums and denied that irrefutable fact. The movies didnt get worse. The fanbase is just underdeveloped and entitled.

​@@no.9516 Nuance should be applied, but it doesn't mean that everything is a gray area. Just because most things are ambiguous doesn't mean that there is no clear black and white at all. There are irredeemable people and people who you don't have to give a second chance. We are just tired of the idea that 'we all can get along' when it clearly doesn't always work

​@@no.9516 it's boring as hell to never have any actual villains. "Nuance" like this is just a lazy and pathetic justification for not making anything that's actually entertaining

@@no.9516 But it's not being nuanced. It is more an attempt to show victimisation on the villain as a excuse for any actions. I think Cruella is a prime example. Of this

And what about the criticism about.... live action and the fuckery with the Chinese government with the movie I shant not name

"The people have spoken! They want no effort!"
-Chugga Sticks it to Sticker Star

Honestly I don’t think they care that much about fan opinion

To be fair, I'm glad Encanto actually didn't have a villain. Good people... good family, can also have problems...
The entire family had trouble because of a good grandmother who did an overall great job in raising her family and village...

People seem to forget that people don't know what they want.
Critics most often do not know how to write a good story, only that whatever they are criticizing is bad.

"There's good in everyone." And "You should love everyone." are both messages I will never teach my kids, because its true, not everyone has your best interests at heart, not everyone is trustworthy, and there are people who will use the image of being nice to manipulate and harm you. Which is why the message of "Raya and the Last Dragon" felt like a slap to the face.

That's why they're pushing the "you have to love everyone" message. Because They're one of the leeches sucking the world dry. The want people to think all villains are redeemable because that reduces the number of pitchforks pointed at them and their corporate sponsors.

Billionaires aren’t the problem pal

There are actual evil people in the world so I agree with you but billionaires aren't the big problems.

Agree

It just adds a wee bit of spice

Jack Horner was up there with the likes of Scar, Maleficent, etc.

@@somerandolad 👍👍Miss Scar, Hades and Maleficent

@Depressed Doggo You realize Schaff doesn’t care about the trolls?

A common depiction of death, across cultures, is that he likes to make wagers and essentially “play” with people’s lives. Death Wolf could have reaped Puss’ soul at any time, but lost his chance bc he just _had_ to turn it into a hunt. Very consistent portrayal.

@@anerrorhasoccurred8727I mean both are frequent portrayals of death, you have
1. The calm and reassuring death, who helps those who pass along accept their passing, and help them find closure
2. The cheeky asshole death, who makes it into a challenge or plays a rigged game, usually offering eternal life, or similar, if you win

@@hitthere5764 And the book, Reaper Man included both. The original Death being the calm/emotionally distant one, and a protagonist. While the New Death was cocky, saying things like "lesser lives", and "you never wanted to rule" and literally wearing a crown.
It also included a comedic death, the Death of Rats.
And a cosmic, detached-from-everything death, Azrael.
And a more human incarnation of death, Bill Door.

@@firelight4098 *_THERE MUST BE NO CROWN, ONLY THE HARVEST. WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, IF NOT THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN_*

@@ccs4959 I mean the grim reaper is not real and there are various depictions of it among different cultures, of death, gods/goddesses of death and angels of death. They're not human anyway so things like "he" or "she" doesn't matter

Jack Horner is a wonderful throwback to old-school villains: He has a larger than life personality, is having a lot of fun through the entire film, is vaguely queer coded (xD) and is irredeemable evil. Just so entertaining to watch

don't forget Goldi, she was talking with a british accent and that scared me shitless

I work at the movies n this was out next to strange world. A family with a 3-4 year old was debating which kid movie to see n i told them that while puss in boots was my favorite n a very good movie i wouldnt recommend taking a young child to it with how intense n terrifying the villians are

I wouldn’t say Jack Horner was a Psychopath, but rather a Sociopath. A Sociopath has no feelings of empathy or remorse for anyone around them and are perfectly fine and willing to do some heinous things. A Psychopath on the other hand doesn’t even have any feelings for themselves let alone others and are even happier doing some of the most heinous (often violent and murderous) acts imaginable. I wish that terms such as “Socio” and “Sociotic” existed alongside “Psycho” and “Psychotic”.

@@MatameVideosJust a question, in what way is Jack queer coded? Even vaguely?

He does have a bit of a backstory though, and I would say the idea of it is a bit sad (a kid who merely wants to be liked but is overlooked). But I do agree with your overall point

​@@sarahvalerie4307 All he wants is to be given love and attention... at first. Which quickly spirals from "Pinocchio is loved because magic, so I want magic" to "fuck it let's nuke the world with baby unicorn horns". To me, that's absolutely hilarious and fun for a villain.

Big Jack Horner is a perfect example of "if you have a one-dimensional villain, they better be entertaining". Having a one-dimensional villain that only talks about how evil they are and about their evil plan is just boring. This mf on the other hand is someone you just love to see come up on the screen, even if they are a horrible monster.

​@@sarahvalerie4307 I think he's like Eric Cartman in a way being so heavily spoiled that he becomes selfish and narcissistic

@@cadhla2989 Yeah, he has reasons, but like, they’re only reasonable to a villain. When he described his wish as having all magic in the world and leaving none for anyone else and continuing by saying “Is that so much to ask?” To which the cricket responds “YES!” Jack retorting with “Agree to disagree.” Before continuing to go on and kill his entire crew via negligence, is what gets to the heart of this character. A truly 1 dimensional evil cause evil character would be one without really a character or motive, it would essentially work as a force of nature for the protagonists to overcome, but Jack HAS character AND motive, just not heroic or even neutral ones, just straight up villainous!

He said “yeah, in the face, why”, not “yes I will, want to see me do it”

yep, wanna know why Frieza is still active in the Dragon Ball series? Cuz people love how irredeemably evil he is, his cunningness and cruelty makes you want to hate the guy but his charisma makes him your favorite (presumably) we need more of those, they don't need to be super deep so long as you make them fun to watch and a legit threat, just like Jack Horner

@@PosiDoesMore you're absolutely right

"Ah you know I never had much as a kid just loving parents and stability in a mansion and a thriving baked goods enterprise for me to inherent useless crap like that"

My favorite is when the cricket finally realizes he's evil, and he's just like "aww ohh what took you so long? IDIOT!" Lmfao
Puss in boots always seemed like a cynical cash grab to me, so I never gave it the time of day. This movie had no business being as utterly fucking incredible as it was, but goddamn am I glad I watched it!

Death making a cameo in shrek 5 everytime that someone's in great danger?

They really handled the ending for that movie very well. At the end of the day, Death still could've dispatched Puss if he wanted to - he just stopped doing it because Puss finally learned to appreciate the life he has now rather squander it away.

I love how it’s inevitable that he wins. He just chose to let Puss live because there was no ego left hor him to take down.

Only as a cameo. Too much focus might muddy it.

When Death stated that he wasn't metaphorical, it was to inform the audience straight up that he wouldn't be defeated; as it reinforced everything else he said earlier in the film: That it wasn't bravado, it was simply inevitability.

That’s also a callback to Toy Story 2, where Zurg was Buzz’s father.

@@erickpoorbaugh6728 That was intentional from my side. I know the Toy Story 2 scene. That's why i said it should have been his dad.

Disney ruins what made their villains great in the first place. Disney corrupts everything that it touches. Fuck Disney.

How funny it is that the 2nd and 3rd Toy Story movies had better and more compelling twist villains than Lightyear.
Not to mention those villains actually make sense and pushes the story well!

i thougt that lightyear was a great movie ( yes i sed it FIGHT ME )

Same

Agreed!

Unrepentant evil, the easiest way to write a villain, and the most fun.
As much as I love a redemption arc one villain has to stay the course.

​​@@andrewgreeb916 I'd argue Pure Evil villains aren't easy to write at all. Sure, their lack of tragic backstory or complicated motivation cuts down on some of the work but they have to make up for all of that with charisma and pizazz, and _that_ can be really difficult to write.

What ever do you mean?? Jack had a backstory! He had a really good childhood and inherited so much wealth, but he just wanted magic! Lol.

Me too

True

it kinda seems like he really liked him

Ever heard about Morshu?

@@ReAnnieMator “Lamp Oil”

I’m assuming you mean death?

@@amusedapple4933 what

@@m4rcyonstation the op talked about one of the three villains becoming iconic overnight. I was asking if it was death

@@amusedapple4933 Oh ok i havent watched pb2 sorry

@@m4rcyonstation it’s a good movie

Same lol

But that is not what happened, Bruno hid away from his family for ten years and left them with lots of pain because they didn't even know if he was dead or alive.

​@@Furienna
That's literally what happened.

@@93King No, it is clear that his family never were mad at him because he did his job.
That just never happened.

@@Furienna
Yea that's why there's a whole song about not ever even acknowledging him or saying his name. You're right, that was all out of love.

Eartha Kitt was just an amazing woman🦸‍♀️

From memories, the early 2000 Disney movies for all their flaws did give us good antagonists and villains: Yzma, Jumba, Long John Silver, Denahi, . I mean even the tepid Home of the Range gave us Alameda Slim who was the most memorable thing of the movie.
(Of course there is also Rourke, who is pratically the prototype of the Disney Twist Villain. But We don't talk about Rourke...)

Yzma had enough charisma to carry throughout an entire Disney _series_ , something a lot of other villains didn't translate to when Disney tried printing more money from turning every film into a series after release!

PULL THE LEVER KRONK!!

@@amberhernandez this! I still wish Disney would reconsider making the first draft of empotres new grove. Snuff Out the Light has a lot of potential to be a memorable villain song

He’s the best Non Disney villain ever😊

I think Jack Horner is suppose to mock modern Disney villains, the conscience cricket tries to find something redeemable about him for most of his time. Also when talks about having a rough childhood but describes him having a mansion with loving parents and a business that gets to inherit

​@@CertifiedSoapEater Definitely

@@CertifiedSoapEater Also mocking a lot of “tragic villain,” motivation.
Many of those villains are painted as sympathetic because they have a “greater purpose,” or “are missing that one thing they need to be happy,” and when the viewer thinks about the “sympathetic motive,” for more than a minute it gets clear that it either doesn’t line up with the villain’s previous actions or just plainly doesn’t make sense.
When Jack talks about his wish the movie builds up towards a motive like I mentioned above but then just throws it away with the most selfish wish possible. Yes the more you think about it the more Jack is clearly just a giant middle finger towards modern Disney villains.

You could say that he's an irredeemable monster.

They went all out with Frollo. BTW I love how this movie shows a hero that does not "get the girl" at the end like other movies, that really stood out to me as a child

Or worse, tried to tell the story with Frollo but went out of their way to show that he's bad because of other reasons, so we as the audience should feel bad for him and maybe cut him some slack on the things he did.

FROLLO KILLED ANTS! HE IS TOTALLY UNREDEEMABLE

Abril4014: Of course, they had to do that with a disfigured character and give it a heap of unfortunate implications.
But luckily for Quasimodo, all of that was fixed in the sequel.

As much as I hated that movie, I do have to agree. He was so goddamn disgusting and horrifying that he was the PERFECT villain. By far, that was one of the best villains I’ve seen, before better ones came along.

I mean How To Train Your Dragon 2 kinda does this?

@@cartoonishidealism582shit ur right

Wanted that to be the finale. White diamond just being too evil to redeem and he learns why capital punishment is a thing and that some people cannot be reasoned with and are unwilling to change. At least pull an Ozai and take their position of power away before imprisoning until they do reform

OH MY GOD YES VALIDATION THANK YOU FINALLY

You mean like Aquamarine?

You’re SO right! “Under the Sea” is awesome! But so are “Kiss the Girl” and “Poor Unfortunate Souls”

@@Kawaiikitten0211frl and without Part of Your World we wouldn’t have the “what the main character wants song”. It’s such a banger and it includes it’s light motif throughout the movie that reminds us of Ariel and her goal.

Its 2023, we cant have love stories anymore bcus men are literally evil

​@@TheFinalGate_ they may not be evil but they sure are whiny lmao

​@@TheFinalGate_ I dislike romance being everywhere
Everywhere everywhere. It's good but it, dropping is nice

That’s stupid. Just because a story doesn’t have a villain doesn’t mean it’s bad storytelling. It just sounds like they lack the skills of storytelling is all.

“Well GEE, Disney! Sorry I want my movie based on the concept of adventure serials to have stakes and an actual villainous presence rather than the conflict just being a loop warm rehash of the familia strife that was done infinitely better in Encanto.”
-Also Schaffrillas

you're really shooting yourself in the foot there, villains are a great narrative tool.
When you are writing you can't afford to just throw away parts of your "tool belt".

Aunestly I would hang that note to be reminded there’s always a time to make a villan

Exactly. A hero is only as good as the villain.

👍👍. The Renaissance Disney villains were awesome. The twist villains are mediocre jokes

Omg YES

Lmao yes

Jafar would make that prince mf from Frozen (forgot his name) look like a b**ch

That would be so hilarious (in an unironically good way)!

Yeah it a cut coming o age romance story in world where th point is that th build up mistrust ba basically everyone is th villain. And the unjustified fear and witchhunts.
That even gt in thir relationship. The villain is bigotry and th point is to not let themslve ovrcome with fear of that.

​@Maro Cat what?

@@marocat4749bruh what are you saying?

​@@marocat4749 Huh?

​@@marocat4749 ? It not a romantic story

Yes he's an interesting one. In a way John Silver is the centre of the story, he's the one moving the plot to reach his goal, he gets the most development, and Jim is the one who causes him to change. While Jim is the 'good guy' and the protagonist, a lot of what makes him engaging comes from his relationship with John Silver. Definitely a good example of story that needed both a hero and a villain.

One of the reasons he worked while a redeemable villain was that it also had Scrop as an irredeemable villain.

Yes but also Treasure Island was an adaptation like many other adaptations which had villains in them. Turns out when disney adapts stories with villains in them they have villains in them. Who knew? That's why they've made less and less villains. They've not adapted as much stories rather than making originals which kinda suck cause the original stories of the adaptations made them so much better and disney didn't need to narratively make them better by a lot.

I remember watching Treasure Island story as a young girl...I was surprised at how duplicitous he was...but you couldn't take your eyes off of him. Pinocchio had some villians also...

*Schaffrillas brother is crying in hell because my content is better* 🤣

Or has a same motivation with hero but with radical methods

I wish the have a idea where the main character is the same as the villain not that they are same people but they have same motivations or same backstory but the main character tries to do whats right while the villain chooses the brutal way

@@khn4048 Then there wouldnt be a point to having to stop the villain? he wants to do the same thing that the protagonist, You would only need to nudge him into the right path and help the protagonist.

@@dylanzlol7293 good point

​@@dylanzlol7293well it's complicated, I mean, if you're a protagonist fighting for equal rights in order to save your people from oppression, would you support someone who's willing to murder thousands of innocent people cold-bloodedly to reach the same goal?

Sometimes there really AREN'T any truly bad people, however that shouldn't be the message of every single movie out there.

There are people who have completely given in to evil, but the only people who encounter them basically ever are murder and kidnapping victims. Remember, a person's ideology does not make the person pure evil or pure good. Hitler was without a doubt pure evil, but the average Nazi was just doing what he or she truly thought was right. One's ideology or beliefs is no reason to cut him or her out of your life.

@@adnaP_esreveR i mean, even when you get to the level of "these are traditions borne out of cultural trauma that are deeply flawed, have shown to be harmful and there's many people who still haven't fully grasped why they are harmful or that there is a better way", there's clearly MF'rs out here that are fully aware not only that their actions are harmful, want their actions to harm even more people, and clearly make sure that the better way never gets off the ground. while my cynicism tends to get in my way sometimes, i genuinely believe that's why the "climate change" proxies don't get off the ground in any meaningful way to pointing fingers, because Disney is already receiving cataclismic pushback from people like desantis, and the "FUCK IT" response only really works when you don't have anything to lose, which is why smaller corporations are able to do it while the big corporations just sort of fade into the background. it's why dreamworks as this smaller entity is able to meaningfully make art, while disney can only make money.

@@adnaP_esreveR yeah, agreed. Plus, they don't have to be evil to need some distance from them, or to see them as antagonistic to you.

Belos in Owl House as well. He’s the head of a long established order, a witch finder out of his own time and place irreversibly affected by the magic he detests so much. He knows how to play people, keep them on side by honeyed words or veiled threats and does so as a trusted public figure. His system is the norm, which Luz and her friends have to fight against.

At least Disney Animated Show care for giving us great villains

Yeah that’s what I was going to say, Disney still knows how to do villains, they just put them in their shows, Belos, The Core and Bill are all fantastic to watch.

​@@Jaydee8652 Although in the case of the Core I wish we got more screentime with it as the Core itself. Or saw the other minds assimilated into it.

​@@jbcatz5 He even knows how to manipulate a literal god (The Collector) and nearly took over it's body.

always loved dreamworks

Biding their time? What about shrek, Kung Fu Panda, and How To Train Your Dragon?

@@HighSlayerRalton All before Disney started putting out garbage. They've not really had an opportunity to show up Disney properly until recently.

@@HighSlayerRalton Unfortunately, only Shrek seems to be super mainstream. I THEORIZE one of the reasons being Boss Baby (which iirc wasn’t well received at all) basically drawing all attention away from HTTYD and KFP until people stopped talking about them, but that’s just some dumb conspiracy theory since I heard Boss Baby being mentioned way more than HTTYD and KFP.

Disney hasn’t had subpar storytelling for majority of its films since Princess and the Frog. While most of Dreamworks’s from the era have been wildly inconsistent to be most generous. Some have been great and some abysmal. And they have not had the pop culture presence outside of franchises like How to Train Your Dragon and Puss in Boots.
In any case Disney’s next film Wish will have a villain, Chris Pine as a king (hopefully he will sing, he was great in Into The Woods as the shallow Prince Charming).

See also Char Aznable.

Or abusive parent who cannot be redeemed

@@Otval_bashky Athalie from Muted.

@@Otval_bashky Yeah, some people never change.

😂

Inside out 2:

No, no, he's got a point. v
​@@B1tcharp

Hamlet was a great play.

Not only they can have both, having both is actually great for their pockets, TLK still is the highest grossing animated movie of all time

Exactly! That is why I consider the Disney Renaissance to be my favorite Disney era and also its best era in my opinion. They had that great balance of a strong lead protagonist AND also great villains!

They have done it before, but I doubt the “creative” team at Disney now has the ability or drive to make a good villain

Granted, the lion king isn't great in that regard, as the story and pacing really falls apart after Mufasa's death.
And Scar is kind of turned into a joke.

Yea, understanding leads to lack of fear and less threats from the villain

Also when you're trying to account for every single perspective, it muddles up the storytelling and ironically becomes a lot more boring.
I think Song of the Sea does a really good job of getting us to understand everyone through a combination of keeping their motivations simple, and also using other characters to explore those existing aspects further.

Not to mention that some people really are just motivated by greed and selfishness. A lot like the classic Disney villains.

It's also its own valuable lesson that, while it may be good to briefly try to understand why someone's the way they are, sometimes there's either no time or some people are just plain evil a-holes for no much reason~

@@stevenhiggins3055 Yup. Consider Captain Hook, whose motivations, fears, and general goals are outlined completely without detracting from the rest of the movie. He's fully respected by his crew, as well as being somewhat classy, so it's not like he's a one-dimensional villain, he's just...a pirate. In fact, considering Peter's personality, Hook might very well be the first instance of a not-quite-villainous antagonist.

like Death

@@ahmedmaklad6527 death is just doing his job. You mean jack horner

@@ahmedmaklad6527 More like Big Jack Horner.

@@ahmedmaklad6527 Death isn't evil, he's just doing his job (and having fun at it).

@@ahmedmaklad6527 Death isn't a villain, his motivation was never to kill Puss, just push him to value his past lives.

Cause what we call a villain... is their "hero".

@@hassathunter2464 The Pensuke Files’s titular character, Pensuke is proof of that.
Pensuke in my series is the biological father of Kyubey, and he created a system known as the Litch system. It’s a cruel system with no real escape and it’s system laid a foundation of magic that will lead to… other… cruel systems. (Yes, I’m talking about The Witch System and the ones that succeeded it.)
The Woke see Pensuke as a “baby” hero that deserves praise.

Yes, Sykes have always been one of my favorites despite being generally unpopular amongst Disney fans. Yes, he isn't too much in the story and doesn't have a very unique motivation or personality, but man is he intimidating and an unusually realistic villain for a Disney movie. Not to mention that his car feels like it has more personality than anyone in "Cars", simply because how much the cinematography highlights it and how integrated it is to Sykes' character

@@hassathunter2464 So true.

@@orrorsaness5942 is that a real show?

LMAOOOOOOO

D A M N

How ironic. In trying to rid of irredeemable villains, they gave us their greatest one yet.

I don’t get it?

@@cjtimmons5498 Disney is evil.

Conclusion: Buzz is his own father

@@mariak5096 but thats just a theory, a film theory"

"butbutbut it's just a Star Wars reference!"
so? you think this new development is better? those people are annoying.

I liked the way the cartoon played with that, having him state the lines to Buzz just to mess with his head a little.
Cartoon Zurg was a delight.

@@mariak5096
Buzz cucked his own dad. Legend.

Magnifico was only stealing the personalities and memories of all his subjects including his wife and was prepared to commit murder to stay in power.
But yeah, that is not enough for people who seem to think that cults and dictatorships are good things.

If you ask me, Asha was more of the villain than Magnifico

@@noobmasterruben5167 Magnifico kept having his subjects lobotomized, had even had his wife brainwashed into serving him and almost murdered Star.
How can you think that Asha is the villain?

@@Furienna she less interesting. at least lobotomies are cool.

There’s Gantu, but he’s only relevant at the start of the film and to facilitate a climax.

@@jbcatz5 yeah one could view the no real villain in the first film to be early installment weirdness as the later tv series we do get real villains

Yeah rewatching lilo and stitch, I kinda find it weird that gantu is made into a villain in the later films/series, like all in all he’s just sorta doing his job. Frankly the grand council woman came off a bit more villainous then him

@@jbcatz5 And even then, he's not that bad.
He's deeply offended by Stitch's existence--not entirely without reason--but his absolutism allows him to work as a foil to the far more reasonable Grand Councilwoman.

@@christopherauzenne5023 They’re both representing the law, but Gantu is the one who believes Experiment 626 will never not be a threat while the Councilwoman does see that Stitch has changed and is willing to use the loophole of the adoption shelter receipt to justify leaving the matter where it is.

"Yeah, in the face, why?" alone makes him a better villain than anything Disney has barfed out.

Idea: An evil villain like that, but their "hidden motive" amounts to "Ok this one bad thing you did was the straw that broke the camel's back, and I'm feeling at least twice as spiteful as usual today. Aside from that, this is all just for fun"

He had a motivation though. Everything was handed to him as a kid and when Pinocchio, a magical being got more attention than him he got mad and decided to take the magic.

That's why fireza from dragon ball is one of my favourite villans of all time he is pure evil he was laughing while he destroyed an entire planet while 99% of its population was there that's the type of villany that is missing from most modern movies imo

@@redpanda6497 The commenter means some hidden secret motive that makes him sympathetic

True

"Personal drama" has always kinda been a thing though, can you really pin it on Encanto?

​@Rogue Slushy I guess they mean it being the main focus in a movie made by a big company, a lot of these things have been done by indie filmmaker WAY before these big companies, so I guess that's what they wanted to say

@@korinoriz I think they mean it’s one of the first big animated movies to focus on the family and it’s dynamics rather than have them fight a foe. Again all the problems were caused by the people living in the house so the plot was literally solving their own personal problems

And Shrek being responsible for stunt casting celebrities as voice actors

Indeed! My series is about to show inevitabilis (Who’s long dead), and another pure evil villain that exists in the present!

I actually just love villain characters so much though. They're fr just great

My crackpot theory is that the "Disney is woke!!1!" thing is stupid, but in a different way than we think. I think that we live in such an accepting time that Disney, the huge corporation, thinks that it has to make *everybody* acceptable. It forgets that sometimes, there's just evil and selfish people. So, being the greedy money sink that it is, it tries to get people endeared to those villains because it's more "compelling". Also because merchandise. People that children actually like tend to sell a lot more as cute dolls and shit than irredeemable asses

Of course it is.
The real villian is Disney itself.
Why would they show up somewhere and het beaten up by good heroes that are actually rare nowadays too because most of todays protagonists are annoying and all If I think about it...

@@StarryxNight5 remember how twitter got angry that Clown from remake horror movie "It" was homophobic? Disney afraid of this thing more than anything. They gonna release blank unintertaining cartoons one after another until the competitors shows up, and they already here

Not to mention, some really good jokes.

@@Kaisona2017 Well, if you’ve got Lord and Miller in your writing team, then you’re in for one heck of a comedy

OMG love that movie!!! We need more great, original stories like that one.

@@Kaisona2017 Well, not all good jokes. There’s a few that admittedly are duds. One example I can think of is when PAL is dying and Katie has to interrupt it to remind us it’s similar to a funny animal video which is only an excuse to just shove in a live clip of a baboon opening and closing his mouth on loop and honestly doesn’t really contribute anything. Plus, the villain’s death is already supposed to be humorous anyways so we didn’t need any extra humor to it. There’s definitely some moments where director Mike Rianda needed to REEL in Lord and Miller on their humor and cut it down.

i hated mitchells vs the machines it made me cringe so much lmao

And better yet, it can be a mirror into how the hero can turn out if they don't deal with their struggles in a healthy way.

Puss in Boots TLW literally does this with all of their villains, too! The crime family deals with Puss' own loner status, Jack Horner mirrors the rise of personal myth and self-aggrandizing (Horner lies to seem more evil, whereas Puss lied to seem more heroic), and Death is self-evidently the fear of it. Another #PussSweep moment

​@@austinfletchermusicliterally how smart was it for Puss's fear of mortality to be personified so he has to confront it and come to terms with facing death itself

Del Toro made that one as a passion project, it's no surprise it's better. And they had Mussolini!

@@jstar3382 "I likea da puppets"
Mussolini: A True Cinematic Icon

@@jstar3382 who was voiced by Tom Kenny of all people, which makes me laugh. That's how you do good political satire, you turn the bad guys into caricatures.
I think Disney has the wrong idea about what kids should watch. Yes, there's a time and a place for more optimistic and hopeful movies, but kids aren't stupid and it does them a huge injustice to talk down to them the way so many movies do these days. Or they preach at them to try to indoctrinate them into whatever Disney wants them to think (and it's not just Disney but they are the worst when it comes to doing that sort of thing).

I agree...
Today it seems to make just what is in trending... Not doing somenthing unique.

Disney watered down Pleasure Island by having the kids drink root beer instead of alcoholic beer while Del Toro's take (even though it's not explicitly called Pleasure Island) was more of a military camp. It goes to show how Guillermo never talks down to his audience.

Yeah, at least DreamWorks and Illumination know how to create a real bad guy that we know is already the bad guy with a motivation.

Being honest, I'm starting to get a little tired of the Generational Trauma plot-

​​@@Disneyfan82 What those studios are doing that Disney is not is something that hearkens back to the age old saying: "A hero's a hero but everyone LOVES a great villain". Meaning while you can have compelling protagonists to root for, it wouldn't mean anything if they didn't have enemies to counterbalance off of that are just as compelling so you can root for their inevitable downfall.

@@williehampton3855 Without villains, there are no heroes.

You could still do generations trauma with, get this, a villain who isn’t the embodiment/representation/cause of the generational trauma! It’s almost like villains are central to the themes and obstacles faced by the heroes

“Just a straight up insane villain”
I think you mean *Pure Cosmic Nightmare*

What show/movie is bull cipher from?

@@angrycrab5501 "Gravity Falls" its a Disney cartoon series

There's a detail/theory suggesting Bill did have a bit of a sad backstory.

I like how as the show goes on the depths of his evil become worse and worse
Oh he's some kind of trickster
Oh he's some kind of demon
Oh he's a Lovecraftian Chaos God that has a couch made of living human flesh and a throne of frozen suffering

Oh bull, he was already manipulating the people and stealing their wishes and parts of their personalities when the movie started.

@@Furienna yeah sure, but the people were willingly handing over their wishes. He never forced anyone to live in his kingdom, every single one of them came on their own, or was born there and chooses not to leave

@@tanakisoup That is what manipulation is: he managed to convince them to hand over their wishes.
But it worked on the same principle as it would have if someone had tricked you into signing all your money over to him.
People would see such a person as a thief and would be right to do so, and that is what King Magnifico is as well.
It is very debatable too how "willingly" it was if everybody around you pushed you into doing this.
Rosas functioned as a cult by that point, where the leader couldn't stand any dissent and people were brainwashed.
And again, Magnifico wouldn't have been evil in the end if he hadn't been a villain from the start...

I think the word you’re looking for is antagonist. A villain IS bad, but an antagonist just works against the protagonist, regardless of their morality. But I agree, there should be some motive behind the antagonist rather than just “I’m bad”

@@frogitude3106 there doesn’t have to be, I mean look at big jack Horner, he had little to no reason to do what he had done and yet he still pulled off the evil trope really well

​@@BubbaMassacre a thriving baked good enterprise and wealth. Who needs useless crap like that?

Exactly

@@frogitude3106 Worth note is that there are a handful of real life people not unlike Jack Horner (to add to Bubba's comment), such as de Sade. de Sade was a noble that didn't need to commit the atrocities that he did, but he wanted to. He simply enjoyed it, no matter how needlessly it complicated his life.

We love Kronk!! 💪

I love that, it like "damn I'm just working here for how it would look on my cv and now I have to make moral choices" vibes it gives, like Kronk is the best haha

@@ange76prkr imagine a world where the only company you could work for is Nestle

Maybe Pixar in 1999 just wanted to do haha funny ahh star wars reference

In the cartoon, they do the whole “I am your father” routine and Zurg pulls a 180 and gains the upper hand in battle against Buzz. So the “I am your father” is nothing more than a joke and not to be taken seriously or as canon.

Buzz really didn't feel like a character in his own movie.....not only that, but having him be "his own villain" paints him as an actual villain, and I feel in my opinion they were trying to make Lizzie and Hawthorne the "true heroes" all along, like the movie was trying to say Buzz had to learn to value these characters because they are the ones that drove him to be who he is.
I call bullshit.
Andy would've gotten a "Buzz Lightyear" action fugure for the same reason a kid would get a "Batman" action figure, because they are cool looking figures that fight crime and for justice.
To portray Buzz in such a light in his own movie was an insult and unbelievable.
And before people say something about "OH, well you dont know what Andy likes", you saw how Andy thinks in the way he interacts with his toys, establishing his characters best traits while putting in action scenes

King Candy’s twist doesn’t even feel like a “isn’t that shocking?” moment *(cough cough* Hans.) It feels like a natural escalation of the plot.

@@danielkiran8174 The film also literally starts with her kidnapping Rapunzel.

@@anerrorhasoccurred8727 hard agree, it doesn’t come out of nowhere, it’s more just like “yeah that makes sense I can see that being how things go”

@@anerrorhasoccurred8727 I feel like most villain twists are "wait, this sweet and lovable character has been secretly evil the whole time??" but that's not really king candys point. The twist is much more "wait, turbos still around???" It doesn't rely too much on the fact he's evil for shock value.

Agreed. One of my favorite villians

The scariest thing about Frollo is how realistic he is.

That is exactly why I believe Frollo is the BEST villain in Disney. He is scarily realistic.
Now Hades, he is very entertaining and is threatening when he wants. Can’t remember the actor’s name, but he amazing in that role.

@@CainCadeyrn04 James Woods. I was told that _Hercules_ had a lot of the same plot points to the 1978 Superman movie, and funny enough, Woods, in recent years, voiced Lex Luthor on the show Justice League Action.

In my opinion you're the best Disney villain but ok

@@CainCadeyrn04 James Woods. He literally jumps at the chance to voice hades again from cartoons to video games.

So the problem is that there isn't enough conflict in disney movies? Not just that there's no villain?

@ashtimbo There's no meaningful "conflict" yes there has to be some form of conflict in a film to drive the plot be it through a villain or through an internal struggle but Disney as of late has been lazy in their storytelling.
I'll now use Spirited Away as another example. There's not a war between factions and centred around Chihiro finding her inner strength and that she can be brave. Yababa serves as an antagonist but at the same time what is currently happening to Chihiro is actually down to her parents eating the spirits food which in Yababa's eyes was reason enough to justify them turning into pigs and she also does occasionally show that she can care for others. Again this serves as a fact that not everything is black and white. There's a reason older Disney films are better received than the new ones because as mentioned in the video often one of the most memorable parts of a film is the villain or proper conflict

Fuck I loved that movie so much

I love how much I've been seeing Princess Mononoke brought up lately in discussions surrounding nuanced villainy. Ghibli movies are great examples, all around, of how to handle conflict with protagonists and antagonists.
Howl's Moving Castle is a great example of how to use more extreme villains. The Witch of the Waste is the personification of Sophie's self-doubts and she even sets Sophie's entire growth into motion with the curse she puts on her. They have so much fun playing with the Witch as a villain through exploring her humanity, by forcibly allying her with the protagonists. She is essentially defeated at the midpoint by a side character, and even after she's stripped of her powers as a witch, the curse remains on Sophie with even less hope of finding a way to lift it outside of confronting her own insecurities. And even in her powerless state the Witch is still put to use as a villain to cause conflict through her selfish desires; even after the protagonists go so far as to start caring for her in her newfound disability. Sophie defeats The Witch of the Waste once and for all by speaking to her as if she were a mirror image of herself, easing her own insecurities from within her antagonist, realizing the fact they shared the same insecurities was the reason the Witch cursed Sophie in the first place.
There's tons of room for any villain to have interesting dynamics and meaningful subversions of expectations that create space to go even deeper in exploring the themes of the central conflict, it doesn't matter how nuanced or extreme they are in the role.

One of my favourite Ghibli antagonists have to be Enyaba tbh

I'd argue wreck it Ralph, but then I realised 2012 was 11 years ago, not 10.

@@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735 Exactly

i'd make the argument that pixar isn't really leaning towards villains, but mainly antagonists

@@Born_to-Die1989 Well that would be fine if their antagonists were good. But they also suck.

Puss in Boots 2 only had 2 villains in it lol

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Perfect metaphor for Patriarchy

@@Jimmy94411 Um, no. It's about communism.

@@eri_noemi1462 umm no. It could be interpreted many ways. But you have fun with that, hon!

@@Jimmy94411 no, women does not outnumber men 100 to 1, so really that's not accurate at all. That may be about many things, but not that one.

Damn monkey’s paw

I enjoyed Cruella but honestly I'm sick at tired of these movies trying to redeem their villains. Just give me something to be scared of, to marvel at how evil they are. I like it occasionaly like with Maleficent but they dont have to keep repeating the same tropes for every character.

I actually liked Cruella a lot, but it doesn’t feel like a Dalmatians prequel. Neither does Maleficent. I kind of see those movies as an “alternate reality” story that’s entertaining, but nothing like the original villains. I would rather have them stop making those movies and take the time to create new delightfully evil villains, though.

cruella made sense she has an obsession of skinning dogs
for clothes

If you ignore that it’s supposed to be a Dalmatians prequel and just treat it like an absurdist comedy Cruella is honestly pretty good imo

Disney's relationship with Disney Villains is fascinating because like... they KNOW that people like Disney villains because they're evil and fun. But they also don't want to make a movie where the main protagonist is actually evil and stays evil at the end. It doesn't fit their family friendly brand. But they ALSO want to profit off the Disney villains franchise by making solo movies.
They don't want to commit to a story with a genuinely darker and more cynical tone (which is needed for a villain protagonist that actually stays villainous at the end) BUT they also want to profit off of the edginess of having a villain protagonist. They want cool posters of Maleficent or Cruella that say "This ain't your GRANDMOTHER'S DISNEY!"

Yeah. I felt the chill when he turned villain because the story sets Miguel's great great grandmother as the antagonist. I thought she was going to end the film by allowing Miguel to go back without giving up music. I didn't expect Miguel and everyone else to need her in the final act to play around de la Cruz to save Miguel and Hector.

He's an example of doing a Twist Villain right. It doesn't come out of left field, its not a last minute ass pull and it has stakes.

Agreed, i find quite charming of Ernesto del a Cruz was a real villain and the last of Disney villains

Every time I'm reminded of Coco, I'm fighting the urge to drop everything and go watch it again. That movie was so good.

The fact that he would just murder his best friend for fame... He's a truly evil and terrifying person. The fact that we see the generation trauma inflicted upon the Rivera family because of his selfish desire for fame and money is truly fascinating. They really went LENGTH to show how 1 persons death can impact a family across more then 3+ generations.

Which is stupid because scarring kids with deep psychic damage is exactly how you make lifelong fans.

Which is why they will never make a film like Hunchback of Notre Dame ever again.

@@michaelstrong5383 which is odd cause that one got a sequel, but they did enough damage with the first one that it made it so when I traveled to Paris as a kid the whole thing felt like a reference to the movie

​@OminousIntrusiveThoughts Don't even get me started on The Hunchback of Notre Dame 2. Easily one of Disney's absolute worst direct-to-video sequels.

@@michaelstrong5383 frl, I know I watched it, but it's nothing but a ghost in my memory, I couldn't tell you a thing that happens

He's not a protagonist, but he could qualify as a "twist hero".

It remind me of how Twist villain started : Frozen "nailed" it, so the following movies began to overuse it with rapidly failling rate of sucess.
Encanto nailed the generational trauma, (unlike Frozen II who desperantly grabbed it while searching for a plot) and seeing Strange World, i think that will probably happens too.
History doesn't repeat, but it sure does rhyme

@@alionfish5 Frozen didn't nail it, tho, it was a very bad plot twist that came out of nowhere and contradicts some of the villains previous actions

But in all seriousness, I think the “generational trauma” angle did work in “Turning Red”.

It's because it's overused. It's like how most modern movies have the same message or tick the same checkboxes.

@@devanhinskey9001 too bad the animation didn't

You just made me realize how similar Puss In Boots was to Rango. Two great animated films about a man learning to overcome his fears and be a true hero

* Not only are the heroes and the villains animals, but meeting the villains force Puss and Rango to explore the parts of themselves that are vulnerable ( that is, their loneliness and search for meaning). It’s quite beautiful how the bonds they share with their allies is what gives them peace, and being there for them is worth living for.

Like ogres

Yes -- expand on what we think is cliche with more depth and nuance. Don't just subvert our expectations with something stupid and call it a day lol.

It’s like they used TV Tropes as a writing guide instead of a helpful index.

@An Error Has Occurred sad thing is that I know lots of current writers and aspiring ones who absolutely worship that page. What happened to just "I have an idea for a story, I'm going for it?"
One of my favorite games of the last decade was Xenoblade Chronicles (the first one) and it has almost every JRPG trope under the sun, but the cast of characters are so loveable that it doesn't even matter.

What do you mean?

King Candy/Turbo and Ernesto del la Cruz are good in that regard. Their personality stays the same over the movie and all their actions make sense from their manipulativ and selfish point of view.

One villain I liked was how Commander Lyle went against Milo in Atlantis. There was a lot of clever foreshadowing when you rewatch the film.

​@@QueenOfDarknes5 De la Cruz is so underrated imo. I really like how they took the idea of people working so hard to become famous that they'll do anything for it, and made it work

LIKE REVERSE FLASH IN THE FLASH SHOW. Prove me wrong

The villain from Up was also a good twist villain, IMO, because his affable nature wasn’t an act. He just gotten so obsessed with catching the bird to regain his standing that he had grown paranoid and assumed that anyone who got got involved was after his prize.

Omg the bots spelled wow…

​@@impidimpproductions7648 Thought they were doing a kung pow penis for a sec ngl

Bruh I’m 25 and I recently had a nightmare about him looking at me with those red eyes. I can’t imagine how many actual children he’s already scarred for life.

Exactly. Scary/threatening villains need to be a thing again. Bring back more Wheelers (Return to Oz) and Gmorks (on the topic of scary wolf villains) too. I know a couple of people who stated that they were frightened of even Mrs Tweedy (Chicken Run) as a kid.

I work with elementary age kids and when I asked them if they'd seen Puss in Boots, one 7 year old said "Yeah, I hated it!" When I asked why with confusion, they replied "The wolf terrified me!!" So, yeah. Kids will definitely remember being terrified of that wolf.

I took my 5 year old sister to see it and after the movie I asked if she thought the wolf was scary, and she said “yeah.. he was scary” “not too scary though right?” “Actually he was REALLY scary” so I am happy to report that gen alpha is going through the rite of passage as well

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His editing is on point

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@@pjdixon6199 It's clearly either auto-correction or a typo.

Damn I never noticed that. Guess it’s time for my 34th rewatch.

Honestly, the one complaint I have about KP1 is that we didn't get a scene of Po and Tigress interacting after that. It would have been neat to see Tigress talk to Po about feeling inadequate and how she can relate to that.

Why didn't they just go with Zurg?

I think Lightyear is a mess and I agree.

GOD YEAH
WHYYYYY

Remember when zurg said that he was his father? Even though that was a star wars joke it stuck to me. When they one day make a film about this character they'll use that joke again but nope, we get a villain who's from the future and turns out to be buzz all along, I am so glad I never seen this film and never will.

@@PowerRangersFanAntiDinoFury Thing is, they did make the joke, if only to then throw it away. Buzz's reaction to seeing the old him is "Dad?" only for the other guy to answer "Guess again" and drop this dumb twist.

Hopper is by Pixar, not Disney.

Likely because he was a Pixar villain before Pixar was bought and corrupted by Disney, turning Pixar into Disney Lite.

@@peteryeeterson5766 so i take it you don't think the rest of pixar's catalogue is any good after Bug'sLife?

No matter what studio he belongs in, he is still hands down one of the most underrated animation villains.
I know A Bug's Life isn't that special movie compared to Toy Story and other 90's classics, but it's still a very entertaining watch with an amazing villain!

@@pokedisney33 how'd you come to that conclusion at all. Its possible if it was after disney bought pixar, but saying ALL villain after bugs life? Man has never mentioned that.

Sad ... But true

Old Pixar better

There are a lot of flawed people, but the idea of there being no bad people is quite dangerous a message to tell in all honesty. It might not be related entirely to what you're trying to point out about simple stories, but it's still a concern with the current narrative of many of the new projects releasing from Disney

That's why Disney and Pixar has been bland these days, they focus too much on relatibility in a way that their art design are too realistic, ending up with different movies yet the same-y feel because of similar character designs.
Animation is supposed to be an escape from reality that happens to have compelling and relatable characters. It's amazing how Japan still makes amazing 2d Animations, everything in the west is all too focused on 3d animation that a film like into the spiderverse have to blend 2d and 3d to have an identity of itself.

Yeah like I like villains that struggle through hardships and stuff but I feel like it’s getting quite a bit over saturated these days

I think saying there are no big bads undermines the real-world existence and significance of evil. You might not want to describe some people as evil, but it usually doesn't change the fact that their actions are, and sometimes those people will not be redeemed, either because they choose not to be or are killed before they can be. Like Palpatine, for example. He works because you can imagine a person like him existing, especially if you dig into his back story, personality, and motivations. Even if he did have a tragic backstory that would give you sympathy for him, you knew justice needed to find him. It's poetic that justice came at the hands of one of his most notable victims, Anakin.
Yes, every big bad is a flawed person, but that doesn't mean they aren't a big bad. A certain mid-century Austrian comes to mind.

Hence why JoJo part 3 was still good, Kira carried

@@Oki_wfsth *****4

"A man is judged by the quality of his enemies"
- Soldier TF2, probably