I could, although, I don't exactly need a job. I'm just being part of the community and trying to do what I can. |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
azulakina said: I could, although, I don't exactly need a job. I'm just being part of the community and trying to do what I can. I get that, but I doubt they check discord or even this thread tbh. DeNA and communication don't go well together as we've all clearly seen. |
Ardanaz said: I get that, but I doubt they check discord or even this thread tbh. DeNA and communication don't go well together as we've all clearly seen. I'm sure @kagami does it for them or something I can't get very straight. I mean, to me it looks like "management" is watching everything that's happening on MAL. |
awesomenettleSep 3, 2018 3:22 AM
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
azulakina said: Ardanaz said: I get that, but I doubt they check discord or even this thread tbh. DeNA and communication don't go well together as we've all clearly seen. I'm sure @kagami does it for them or something I can't get very straight. I mean, to me it looks like "management" is watching everything that's happening on MAL. I wouldn't count on it. I get the feeling they barely even know what's going on here. |
Well, let's see. I'm counting on it. |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
| I have been following the thread for obvious reasons, but this has entertained me in ways I did not expect. azulakina said: Also, I'm loyally pissed that it can take this long to only get the API working to the extent that I'd even be willing to work on an API and be responsible for it - on one condition - MAL gives me access to their databases - ETA, year end(API complete with documentation for developers(in fact the current MAL doesn't seem to be documented)) In fact, I don't see why MAL shouldn't give me access to their databases since this is not a commercial site and the most sensitive information that their database could contain is user information(which includes but is not limited to my personal details). So, since I have demonstrated technical expertise, I mean, I got a bug on my very first days on MAL, they'd probably have a good reason for denying me access to their databases. Which we are waiting to hear out. azulakina said: If only MAL had hired or even made a point of associating with elite developers like me. I'm not greedy but highly motivated and competent. azulakina said: Yeah, it actually is funny except the part where it's not. Do you really not see how this is funny? :P I am probably one of the few people in the staff that bashed on Dena in this thread, because I have lost any semblance of faith there was left in me towards them. I completely believe they should and could have handled this and many more situations better and even when reading comments that this is a free service (which is true for the most part. I guess people paying for the extra features or modding have more reasons to complain as their money/time could have been spent in other ways), I am of the mind that constructive criticism is helpful whether something is free or not. Of course, some responses in this thread have been the opposite of constructive and it's only natural that some people find it really ungrateful of them. Can't say I don't half-agree with that. But I get both sides of this, because how can you not get annoyed when DeNA isn't even that good at PR? Now that this is out of the way, I have also pretty much wished that someone else would buy MAL (Crave was laaaazy and DeNA seems like a fish out of water; they do not understand how things are supposed to work) or one way or another have real progress on the site. So, do I wish better and more capable people took over the site? Definitely. Do I wish a random MAL user who thinks he is MAL's salvation "help" in making MAL better? No way. Anyone who keeps bragging about how "elite" they are and thinks a random Discord mod is DeNA's secret messenger sounds to me a worse deal than either Crave or DeNA. Generally, people who tend to think too much of themselves and reach conclusions without any real evidence is a hard no, especially when it is in a random forum and unfortunately, MAL has maaaany of those (apart from this specific event). Although, I won't deny their supposed expertise since I highly doubt things could be even slower than now, so there must be truth in their words. azulakina said: That wouldn't be a solution either since it'd have been contrary to what @Kineta promised. You do realize Kineta isn't a DeNA employee, so she doesn't make any decision, she just relays when she's been told. So she can hardly promise you something that isn't her responsibility. Of course, she pushes as much as she can as our admin and any communication that exists is mostly cause of her efforts, but to talk about "promises" is a bit, eh... They can change their mind whenever. PS: I realize that this is basically answering to bait, but well, it can't get any worse than this. I'll try real hard to not answer again :'D |
MaffySep 3, 2018 4:39 AM
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Yeah, it's funny :-P Maffy said: I am probably one of the few people in the staff that bashed on Dena in this thread because I have lost any semblance of faith there was left in me towards them. I completely believe they should and could have handled this and many more situations better and even when reading comments that this is a free service (which is true for the most part. I guess people paying for the extra features or modding have more reasons to complain as their money/time could have been spent in other ways), I am of the mind that constructive criticism is helpful whether something is free or not. Of course, some responses in this thread have been the opposite of constructive and it's only natural that some people find it really ungrateful of them. Can't say I don't half-agree with that. But I get both sides of this, because how can you not get annoyed when DeNA isn't even that good at PR? DeNA(if at all DeNA is responsible for how this place functions, which I highly doubt) does indeed deserve to be bashed. I don't know who is responsible for the API, I mean, I'm quite fairly new here but I find it a bit strange that API can go down for this long - eish. Maffy said: Now that this is out of the way, I have also pretty much wished that someone else would buy MAL (Crave was laaaazy and DeNA seems like a fish out of water; they do not understand how things are supposed to work) or one way or another have real progress on the site. So, do I wish better and more capable people took over the site? Definitely. Do I wish a random MAL user who thinks he is MAL's salvation "help" in making MAL better? No way. Anyone who keeps bragging about how "elite" they are and thinks a random Discord mod is DeNA's secret messenger sounds to me a worse deal than either Crave or DeNA. Generally, people who tend to think too much of themselves and reach conclusions without any real evidence is a hard no, especially when it is in a random forum and unfortunately, MAL has maaaany of those (apart from this specific event). Although, I won't deny their supposed expertise since I highly doubt things could be even slower than now, so there must be truth in their words. Are you trying to suggest that I am bragging? That is something you're only supposed to do after I have failed to demonstrate my "eliteness" :-P Also, I'd be lol'd if this @kagami guy didn't have information about me that I never gave him. Maffy said: You do realize Kineta isn't a DeNA employee, so she doesn't make any decision, she just relays when she's been told. So she can hardly promise you something that isn't her responsibility. Of course, she pushes as much as she can as our admin and any communication that exists is mostly cause of her efforts, but to talk about "promises" is a bit, eh... They can change their mind whenever. Okay, this should probably bring us to the question - who is responsible? Or, let me rephrase, Kineta didn't make a promise, she made a statement. Maffy said: PS: I realize that this is basically answering to bait, but well, it can't get any worse than this. I'll try real hard to not answer again :'D For some strange reason, you come off a bit boring which I really like 😜. |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
Maffy said: PS: I realize that this is basically answering to bait, but well, it can't get any worse than this. I'll try real hard to not answer again :'D This. You really shouldn't take your time. However, it was a good read so thanks. As you can see even Shymander played it the bait but oh well. However, I have to do this as it's my tradition. Sorry Maffy. |
sasalx said: Maffy said: PS: I realize that this is basically answering to bait, but well, it can't get any worse than this. I'll try real hard to not answer again :'D This. You really shouldn't take your time. However, it was a good read so thanks. As you can see even Shymander played it the bait but oh well. However, I have to do this as it's my tradition. Sorry Maffy. I have to fish to feed my starving family :( gotta pound the tuna |
| Bait, bait, bait, bait, bait - everyone talking about bait :-P Well, the only reason I posted on this thread is that I'm quite confused as to why API on a huge site like MAL could be down for all this time. Maffy said: You do realize Kineta isn't a DeNA employee, so she doesn't make any decision, she just relays when she's been told. So she can hardly promise you something that isn't her responsibility. Of course, she pushes as much as she can as our admin and any communication that exists is mostly cause of her efforts, but to talk about "promises" is a bit, eh... They can change their mind whenever. Well, I'd be quite grateful if Kineta relays what's been said on this thread back to the "whoever tells her what to say here". |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
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| I'm trying to understand why we are talking about bait here... So, well, offering to work on MAL API for $500/pm is bait? To me that looks like an okay deal for now. I'm 200% excited to work on an API. It does look like I'm being cruel to myself by offering such a deal but it's a double-edged sword. If we agreed on the above arrangement and I had a chance to work on MAL API I would do my very best since this is what I like doing. If MAL finds my work good, it's *your* responsibility to keep me around, my only responsibility and the only thing I think about is how good our API is, what can be improved e.t.c So, well, each person to their responsibility. |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
creker said: Probably because your posts sound either delusional or trolling. I've been following this amusing conversation for a bit and I personally can't take anything you said seriously. You can write code? Unbelievable. You have to ask yourself - how much expertise does it take to write an API? Almost none, that's pretty simple thing. That should tell you that there's no shortage of developers who could do it. DeNA obviously have plenty of them, otherwise this site wouldn't even be working now. Even if they don't, hiring someone is a matter of couple of days. So the problem is not finding someone like you with amazing PHP skills but willingness of higher-ups to invest money and time into it. Thanks for your input. Much appreciated. Something to note, though. This is your first post on this forum while you claim to have been watching this thread for a while - Okay. You think I'm trolling - okay. I'd work on this API for free but I have realized that not everyone has skills to develop API. If I worked on this for free it'd be more like insulting myself. I mean, this is something I live for. -> It's really convenient for me to do this work while being an active user of this site, in fact, it's quite probable I'll disappear from MAL if some attractive project comes up, honestly speaking. The main reason I *started* watching anime is, I'm stuck in the house the time. Now, the best thing ever, for me is to be working on something related to anime. I get to become a part of anime community while advancing my career *shrug* -> The best thing for MAL, honestly speaking, is that I could do it for almost free. I mean, this is almost free and, at the same time do it well. So, well, I've said everything I had to say and I will withdraw this offer in a few days(if I don't get any input from Kineta). I mean, this looks like the best thing ever both for MAL and me: |
awesomenettleSep 6, 2018 12:48 AM
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
| Or, well, the offer will just remain open, if anything, I'm still available around here. DM/PVT/PM - whatever you call them. |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
| Dunning–Kruger effect. |
GoodSoftSep 6, 2018 5:42 PM
myanimelistllc said: At this point we have no other information to share, but aim to provide bi-weekly updates on the situation. So uh, it's been about a week since this message, but I take it the bi-weekly update is also an empty promise, or check back next week? I never can tell if it's twice a week or twice a month. |
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Lil-Bird said: So uh, it's been about a week since this message, but I take it the bi-weekly update is also an empty promise, or check back next week? I never can tell if it's twice a week or twice a month. Biweekly means every two weeks or twice a week. Since there's no update yet, it's probably safe to assume they mean every two weeks. |
I'm not very good with such things but is this in any way relevant to the MAL API? |
awesomenettleSep 8, 2018 11:57 AM
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
| It's relevant to your posts (in case you are serious and not trolling, of course). |
myanimelistllc said: We made the decision to have the website undergo a complete security review after discovering a security flaw in the API along with other potential vulnerabilities found within the website. We’re happy to state that the site was not compromised, and user accounts remain secure. We have also taken steps to address these vulnerabilities, and to increase the site’s security. So is it just a coincidence that this sudden shut down of the site happened around the time of the EU GDPR implementation? It doesn't sit well with me, I feel like information is being hidden from the users. The terrible communication during the ordeal doesn't help to alleviate such trust issues. If you bothered to do a simple google search you should have been able to understand what he was implying. I would say a lot more but I believe Ardy and Maffy already said what had to be said. |
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-InfiniteLoop- said: So is it just a coincidence that this sudden shut down of the site happened around the time of the EU GDPR implementation? It doesn't sit well with me, I feel like information is being hidden from the users. The terrible communication during the ordeal doesn't help to alleviate such trust issues. I'm a bit concerned, about the EU GDPR issue - lmao -InfiniteLoop- said: If you bothered to do a simple google search you should have been able to understand what he was implying. I would say a lot more but I believe Ardy and Maffy already said what had to be said. I read what Ardy and Maffy said - nothing I strongly agree with or strongly disagree with. Now, about this Dunning-Kruger effect .... The issue here is bait. Apparently, I'm baiting, which I'm not. It's not possible to quantify something that I take as a personal responsibility in money terms. I mean, it is as if you have a business but you can't exactly quantify it but if someone wants to acquire it, they're free to quote the price. Well, the only thing I could probably say is, the price had better be equal to or more than the money I need, that is $1000/pm. That would be a good start. |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
| Okay, admittedly, I was being a braggart when I claimed that I could come up with a fully functional API by year end. I cannot exactly estimate how long it would take to write the API so we should probably work on bringing up the existing API, first. |
| Talk is cheap, show me the code. Almost is not good enough. |
| Welp, iMal has been working fine for a while now. Without API. So, corporate owners, if you don't want to bother fixing the API... Whatever. |
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They are the owners of the website, that hasn't changed. |
| Welp, now that the EU has decided to fuck over Europe by passing Article 13, how will our fellow Euro-weebs fare (if they haven't already been using a VPN)? Is DeNA going to crack down hard on them for their shitposting on this site or nah? Chalk that up as another question DeNA's never going to respond to. |
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| "As part of ongoing efforts to support the anime and manga industry, the Fansub Group section of the site has been removed." Fuck off. You said you wouldn't do that before. Fucking liars. |
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| Well its about time. |
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| Fansubs and taiga support gone? here I was happy to be back and update my list and of course taiga doesn't work anymore. I knew it was coming since your partnership with streaming sites anyway, I'm glad you didn't disable the export list feature yet. Good luck in the future, this is my last login on this site, most likely. "Sometimes greed isn't always a good thing in business" Source: me, random business owner. |
Junchekan said: Fansubs and taiga support gone? here I was happy to be back and update my list and of course taiga doesn't work anymore. None of the apps work anymore, not just taiga. They're still working on the new API but nobody knows when that'll be done. |
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